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Whoever thought bringing home a prisoner of war would be so controversial? I never thought there was so much wiggle room in the old “leave no man behind” adage. The two main issues that complicate this POW return are that Bowe Bergdahl may have walked off on his own and the fact that Republicans in Congress are trying desperately to make a failure out of Obama, no matter the issue. If Benghazi was getting a little played out, this Taliban prisoner swap will keep the investigation/hearings/conspiracy-mill going for a long time to come.

Even if Bergdahl was a deserter, doesn’t he at least deserve a court martial carried out by his own countrymen? Is our new policy under the Republican House leadership to turn over all deserters to the enemy? Let’s at least give the guy time to learn to speak English again and get some of the intestinal bugs out of his system before we hang him high. I don’t remember this level of vitriol when cold-blooded killers who undermined the war effort got off with hardly a slap on the wrist.

And though I tend to sympathize with Bergdahl and see much of this as a political stunt by politicians, it does seem like Obama is once again displaying his, ahem, masterful negotiating skills by trading five high-level Taliban guys for Bergdahl. Now get ready for the endless hearings and investigations— and maybe we’ll figure out a new policy to determine just what sort of men we leave behind. Enjoy the cartoon, and be sure to check out links to additional stories behind the cartoon.

News!  In-a-Nutshell!

In the news today is . . . an Army of Wha’?!

Not since Mullah Omar palled around with Osama has such rage been directed at someone coming out of Afghanistan.

Who knew Bowe Bergdahl was so despised and responsible for all that is wrong in this chaotic conflict?

The anger coming from Capitol Hill is reminiscent of Congressional ire when some servicemen were returned to the U.S. . .

. . . and released after massacring civilians in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

We apologize, that clip cannot be located at this time.

And everyone knows the United States does not negotiate with the bad guys!

Except under U.S. presidents from Kennedy to Reagan, and back to president, um . . . Thomas Jefferson.

For negotiating with terrorists who are trying to kidnap you may lead them to try and kidnap you!

And, for Obama to release five notorious Taliban commanders on his say-so . . .

It’s almost as if that island prison of Guantanamo is not subject to the rule of law at all!

All of this, for a young man who was critical of the U.S. and questioned the mission, (unlike any other soldier who came before.)

Clearly, it is time “You Are Not Forgotten” be updated to: “Let the Enemy Kill Our Guys Who Wander Off!”

And “Support Our Troops” becomes, “Support Nearly All of Our Troops!”

And so begins the end of America’s longest war— in another complicated mix of mud and muddle.

Onward, befuddled nation!

Goodnight and . . . good-bye?  (Hopefully by 2016 . . .)

Originally posted to Comics on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:50 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  So Obama shouldn't have traded? (7+ / 0-)
    And, for Obama to release five notorious Taliban commanders on his say-so . . .

    It’s almost as if that island prison of Guantanamo is not subject to the rule of law at all!

    Seems like you're just joining the sneering chorus.  What should have been done then?  Because it's true that GITMO exists in some nebula outside the law and the only thing that is going to change that is emptying the damned place out.  

    When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:05:23 AM PDT

    •  Agreed (4+ / 0-)
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      ShoshannaD, Sun dog, hbk, thomask

      They were among the civilian leadership of the Taliban government, and they're getting on in years now. They couldn't be tried, because they violated no U.S. laws. They were POWs, and they would have to be released eventually. There are thousands of Taliban, including people occupying the positions of the released prisoners in the shadow government. These guys have no personal resources to speak of; that they are now free doesn't in any discernible way make the Taliban stronger or more dangerous. If they got their old jobs back, would they be better at them than the incumbents? There's no reason to think so. Anyway the Afghan government is trying to come to a peace deal with the Taliban and the U.S. is trying to get out of the whole mess, and this was an essential step toward all of that. How it is supposed to harm or endanger the U.S. is a complete mystery to me.

      •  Also agreed and as one commentator on (4+ / 0-)
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        lostboyjim, Sun dog, hbk, VTelder

        MSNBC mentioned  they were last active  12 years go.  Like  putting Michael Jordan back  on the court.

        sh

      •  "Detainees" - NOT POWs (6+ / 0-)

        Remember, when Dumbya and Dickie opened Gitmo to holding prisoners and started torture programs, he had to keep the International Red Cross out - and for that to happen, the prisoners, "detainees," could not be called Prisoners of War.

        And that was because the "war" in Afghanistan was (still is) only against a little band of international criminals, Al Qaida, NOT against Afghanistan citizens or the country of Afghanistan, and Al Qaida (then led by Osama bin Laden, relative of the Bin Laden family with whom he Bushista Crime Family had business dealings - one of OBL's relatives, Bandar, was so close he was called Bandar Bush when he visited).  

        The Taliban are now involved somehow, but that's because they used to be US allies and got military aid from the US.

        But - originally - the Gitmo prisoners were set up in a no-man's-land prison under only their own jurisdiction "somehow," but how is only known to the Bushistas (and now Obama) since it was originally a US military base with a 99-year lease.

        Notice, no one who has served at Gitmo has ever come home to a ticker-tape parade and local parade from their communities.  No one ever confesses to serving at Gitmo.  For that matter, except for knowing Halliburton's construction company built an addition to Gitmo, I'm not even sure US military personnel are serving there.  I know some shady medical and psychiatrist types have been there (not sanctioned by the APA), but whether or not the guards are mercenaries under Halliburton's command or some other mercenary corporation and not US military personnel, we don't actually know.

        The illusion of language has determined that there are no POWs at Gitmo, only "detainees" and "legally" not even the International Red Cross can inspect the place or determine how prisoners are being treated because of that.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:20:42 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I heard earlier today on MSNBC... (2+ / 0-)
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        cpr4life, Damaged262

        ...and read in the article linked just below that "under President Bush, some 530 detainees were transferred from Gitmo with Congress’s support.   According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, about 29 percent of the 614 prisoners released from Guantanamo as of January had resumed their participation in violent jihad."

        http://www.bloomberg.com/...

        Congress has imposed new restrictions on release of Gitmo detainees after Obama transferred 67 early in his presidency.

        And contrary to John McCain's claim that “they released five people who were judged a risk to the national security of this country...”

        One guy was considered a "more moderate Taliban in leadership circles", two others "had negotiated surrender of Taliban fighters" and were apparently double-crossed by General Abdul Rashid Dostum, a fourth - cooperating with the USA and trying to facilitate reintegration with the new Afghan government - was taken in a sting operation, and the fifth was a used car salesman who was hung out to dry by the CIA.

        http://www.salon.com/...

    •  Tell that to the Israelis (8+ / 0-)

      .....who would have loved a 5 to 1 swap.  In 2011, Israel reached a negotiated agreement with Hamas—a group designated as a terrorist organization—to release 1,027 prisoners, including many terrorists, in exchange for a single Israeli soldier.

      You take the best deal you can get.  Those who condemn this deal weren't there in the negotiations.  Would they have prefered we let an American soldier die in captivity without lifting a finger to set him free?

      •  The answer seems to be yes (3+ / 0-)
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        hbk, VTelder, Frances in California
        Would they have prefered we let an American soldier die in captivity without lifting a finger to set him free?
        That is definitely the underlying sentiment of the right wingers right now.  

        When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:47:35 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's Today (2+ / 0-)
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          Damaged262, CatKinNY

          Tomorrow the GOPers could do another 180 on BB.  They pivot like targets in a shooting gallery.  It's a tired move but the only one they've got.  For now, it's something new to try to spin again the POTUS.  I guess the IRS and maybe even BENGHAZI are wearing thin---but then we haven't heard from the "special" panel on Benghazi yet, so I guess they consider that to be a dish that can possibly be warmed over.

          Enjoying the Age of Aquarius so far?

          by sendtheasteroid on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 12:22:31 AM PDT

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      •  What do Hamas supporters designate themselves as? (0+ / 0-)

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ♥ ♥ ♥ Forget Neo — The One is Minori Urakawa

        by lotlizard on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:49:57 AM PDT

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      •  One American is worth ALL the detainees in Gitmo.. (1+ / 0-)
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        raspberryberet

        I think it was pretty clever of Obama to trade only 5 Al Quaeda leaders instead of having to trade all the detainees we're holding in Gitmo.  

        Israel had to give up 1,027 Palestinians to get Gilad Shalit back.  And the citizens of that nation are beside themselves with joy.

        We give up only 5 - and half the country is screeching with anger because a) the President didn't ask for a permission he constitutionally didn't need and 2) the President didn't ask for a permission the Republicans wouldn't have given him and 3) the President didn't ask for permission to bring a soldier home and 4) the President.

        "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill, 1806 - 1873

        by Terry S on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:35:50 PM PDT

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      •  I saw a US Navy Admiral on Chris Hayes' show (1+ / 0-)
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        Damaged262

        last week who pointed out that if a sailor falls overboard nobody asks if he was pushed or jumped. They turn the ship around and do their best to find him and fish him out.

        “Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.” C. Hitchens

        by zootscoot on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:12:27 PM PDT

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    •  Yes!! (1+ / 0-)
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      Sun dog

      If this is the smug criticism from the Kos front page, where is Obama's support going to come from?  I do not think anything in the last 6 years has made me as disgusted as this issue - and here we have a front pager joining in.  
      It is nauseating.

    •  That comment now has 6 wrecks (2+ / 0-)
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      Frances in California, RGalli

      I take it that there are at least 7 people here who don't recognize humor even when it's in the form of a political cartoon.

      I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

      by Just Bob on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:24:52 PM PDT

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      •  Don't recognize humor? (0+ / 0-)

        Seriously?  Satire is beyond discussion because it has no underlying meaning and it's just "humor."  It's just pies in faces and Moe smacking Curley upside the head.  There is also text here and in it the writer seems to be buying into a portion of the right wing talking points.  Namely that Obama made a bad trade by releasing these five guys from GITMO.  

        it does seem like Obama is once again displaying his, ahem, masterful negotiating skills by trading five high-level Taliban guys for Bergdahl.

        When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:15:06 PM PDT

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      •  Hey!! My name's Bob ... (0+ / 0-)

        and I have the same reaction to the useless ad hominem attacks by those who cannot even articulate, let alone defend, their thoughts on any given subject!  (I was at Ft. Bragg - '66 - '67 - 6th SFG< 1st SF).  It's one thing to disagree yet quite another to be disagreeable!  I collect quotations - here's a couple that fit many on the far right:

        "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B Anthony, reformer and suffragist (1820-1906) [AWAD 4 June 2014]

        "The illusion which exalts us is dearer to us than ten thousand truths." -Aleksandr Pushkin, poet, novelist, and playwright (1799-1837) [AWAD 6 June 2014]

        AWAD refers to a delightful daily 'word' with thoughts for the day:

        Regards,
        R. Galli - Edison, NJ

    •  Urm. (4+ / 0-)

      That comment is making fun of Republicans and the Bush administration, who said that US Law can't apply to Guantanamo.

      They wanted US law not to apply to Guantanamo, until Obama tries to close Guantanamo, at which point they pass a bunch of laws that directly apply to Guantanamo, and demand that they be enforced.

      This is an attack on the Republicans.

      Not an attack on Obama. And it flew right over your head.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail.

      by OllieGarkey on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:29:28 PM PDT

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      •  ^^^THIS^^^ (2+ / 0-)
        That comment is making fun of Republicans and the Bush administration, who said that US Law can't apply to Guantanamo.
        And they are "detainees" because the US was/is only at "war" with a little band of international criminals, Al Qaida, not the military or people of Afghanistan - just the little band of criminals led by OBL in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Then, when OBL was cornered at Tora Bora, thanks to orders "from high up" he was let go.  They hadn't illegally and unconstitutionally invaded Iraq by then (if I'm remembering the timeline correctly), and Dumbya and Dickie needed the head criminal to be available to scare people with "ter'rist" talk of "ter'rism" to make it okay for Congress to take away our rights.

        Rights, BTW, which have STILL not been returned to us, I might add, even though OBL is dead, the "war" against a little band of international criminals is now focused against the Taliban, and the illegal and unconstitutional war crime of invading and occupying Iraq is over with..............

        [I'm old.  I want my constitutional rights restored before I die....]

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:28:47 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I don't think so (0+ / 0-)

        I think he really had a problem with Obama on that.  

        it does seem like Obama is once again displaying his, ahem, masterful negotiating skills by trading five high-level Taliban guys for Bergdahl.
        Why is he being sarcastic about Obama's "ahem" negotiating skills?  Seems like he's kind of buying into part of the smear.  

        When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:11:55 PM PDT

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    •  I'm a retired Army veteran (4+ / 0-)

      I would've traded.
      Even if he's a five star screw-up, it's still be a trade up from the Marx brothers we had in custody.

      As for "And “Support Our Troops” becomes, “Support Nearly All of Our Troops!”"
      It's more like "Support our Troops" becomes "Support our troops verbally only, occasionally, thank them and slap them down".
      As evidenced by the deplorable condition of the VA, after having its budget cut for 30 years, counting at the onset of these wars.

    •  Snark alert! (1+ / 0-)
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      Damaged262

      The writer's follow up comments easily identified the portions you quoted as snark.  

  •  Anything that gets men out of Gitmo is good. (5+ / 0-)

    They may be guilty of terrorism for all we know, but they can't ever, ever be tried, because not only is the evidence against them so thoroughly tainted by torture and abusive tactics, but if the government admitted what they know and how they know it, a few CIA guys would be facing capital war-crimes trials. Ain't gonna happen. They'd be going home anyway when the war with Afghanistan ends, so why not a few months sooner?

    As for Bergdahl, the Swift-Boating is going to blow up in some people's faces, I suspect.

    •  Whether they are guilty of "terrorism" (0+ / 0-)

      is a semantic matter. They were officials of the Taliban government, which was oppressive and violent to the population they ruled over in many ways. That's bad but it doesn't fit the usual definition of "terrorism." If they are criminals, that's up to the Afghans, not the United States.

    •  Holding a prisoner costs about $20,000/year a (0+ / 0-)

      prisoner in either federal or state prison and is a huge waste of money better spent on housing the homeless in an effort to cut down on crime.  I don't care whether either Bergdahl or any of the 5 Afghans we trade for him are either good buys or bad guys.  Prison in general is a huge waste of money better spent on something more constructive.

  •  Five "high level" Taliban guys? (8+ / 0-)

    Oh, please.  Only one of them even deserves being called a commander, and all of them were grabbed by the Northern Alliance and sold to the US early on.

    Stop providing cover for the Republican hysterics.

  •  Is he a "Prisoner of War"? (2+ / 0-)
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    Fabienne, NonnyO

    ... because the 5 men we traded for him weren't, right?

    •  Right... the five men who were at Gitmo (0+ / 0-)

      ... were "detainees."

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:30:03 PM PDT

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  •   Bergdahl's unit is getting scrutiny (8+ / 0-)

    and the emerging picture isn't pretty.

    Those who want to find clear moral clarity in this situation are in for a rough ride.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:18:48 AM PDT

  •  Impeach GOP for willful irrelevance (1+ / 0-)
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    Medde

    When is the last time those clowns did anything except get in the way? As members of our elected family of leaders, Republicans are the teenage rebels without a cause.

  •  We should have traded ALL of the prisoners (2+ / 0-)
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    Sun dog, NonnyO

    in Gitmo for Bergdahl. These prisoners are being held illegally and in violation of the US constitution.

    I'd prefer to charge them with crimes and give them public trials, but for some reason we won't do that. The only other humane and legal option would be to release them.

    •  The reason(s) (2+ / 0-)

      A lot of the people sent to Gitmo were not associated with the Taliban or Al Qaeda - the Northern Alliance made good money grabbing random people and selling them to the US.  Another bunch were just Taliban grunts of various levels, and since the Taliban was the government of (a lot of) Afghanistan, they would be POWs, not criminals.  A very small number were Al Qaeda, but their actual danger was highly inflated.

      To top it off, many were tortured and otherwise mistreated and the circumstances of their capture and treatment make it almost impossible to bring them to any kind of trial that wouldn't do further damage to our already seriously blackened reputation.

  •  exchange (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.mountvernon.org/...

    The Continental Congress ultimately accepted

    responsibility for the administration of prisoners of war,

     but gave broad authority on the matter to the

     Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army,

     General George Washington.

    As "rebels," the Americans were accused

    of treason and feared especially harsh reprisals.

     The combination of prisoner exchange and parole ensured that few new prisons had to be built during the war.

  •  INVESTIGATE (0+ / 0-)

    Personally, I think the bigger question is just how our President tricked the three members of the Cruel Party into locking themselves inside the Hinds County Courthouse. Since being inside a courthouse during off hours is not a crime, can the homeless sleep there?  

  •  As a former army soldier (3+ / 0-)
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    RightHeaded, lotlizard, NonnyO

    and cynic about "army investigations" (AKA coverups),  I have my own theories about what might have happened.  When I was in the army, I spent some time as both a squad leader and platoon sergeant, so I think I can make opinions into facts as well as any of the Faux News generals.

    Most likely he was considered a "screw-up" and was put out on KP, guard duty or latrine duty in some remote area as a punishment (a common punishment in the military).  Did he wander out on his own?   Get lost?  Get angry?  For whatever reason he disappeared and his "brothers in arms" (particularly his leaders) had to come up with something to cover their own asses.  So they turn out stories about him being a loser and possible a deserter or even (gasp) a traitor.   Cover-up.  Happens ALL THE TIME in the military - just look at history.

    Let's hear his side of the story.

    •  I note one thing... (1+ / 0-)
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      raspberryberet

      Apparently Bergdahl was not tortured.  Whatever else happened to him, however else he was treated, torture was apparently not part of his treatment.

      By comparison, the US comes out with egg, mud, and assorted other shit covering our faces for torturing prisoners at Gitmo and other places where prisoners have been kept in secret and not-so-secret places.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:36:28 PM PDT

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    •  Damn your Experience :-) (1+ / 0-)
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      Damaged262

      Yeah, that sounds about right for what could have happened, and from what I've read about the 'command' in this case, there are still a lot of Niedermeyers around.

      I had one on-board who couldn't be left to himself ashore without getting involved with the oldest scams in the book (e.g., buy a bottle of champagne for the lady... ), and we put him on the soil drain cleaning team to keep him out of sight.  He ended up loving it and making it a badge of pride.

      This is what also happens when you get someone who starts thinking for themselves and questioning why they're the ones fighting old men's wars for them.

  •  What did Nixon give up for McLame? (2+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO, Frances in California

    It clearly was too much. And Reagan sold his soul for the POTUS.

    Stupid & evil are winning.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:49:05 AM PDT

  •  Is Afghanistan more than just a money pit? (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, NonnyO, Frances in California

    To the average American taxpayer, that is. Or, putting it another way, What the hell are we doing there, now? The same could be asked about Iraq. Iraq's oil was freed up and is now in the hands of various global corporations, like Exxon-Mobil. They don't own the oil. They just make money on it. These invasions have cost trillions of dollars. The GOP is worried about food stamps and the cost of the ACA. It is difficult to take any of them seriously anymore, especially the GOP.

  •  I had a buddy who was AWOL from Viet Nam (4+ / 0-)

    in Arcata, CA in 1972. He never went back after a two week leave. He lived quietly for 2 years, cash only job, no ID and then was in a very bad car wreck. He was in a coma and needed much better medical care than he was getting so his friend admitted he was an AWOL soldier. He was immediately airlifted to a VA hospital and was given the care he needed. Yes, he was AWOL, but he was still one of OUR soldiers and the army took care of him. He eventually recovered but it was a long road back.

    You're a ghost driving a meat coated skeleton made from stardust. What do you have to be scared of?

    by madame damnable on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:23:11 AM PDT

    •  Good thing Obama wasn't there to help him (0+ / 0-)

      The right wingers would have had to throw him out on the street.  

      When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

      by Sun dog on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:42:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  What do we have to be scared of? (0+ / 0-)
      You're a ghost driving a meat coated skeleton made from stardust. What do you have to be scared of?
      All those other ghosts in their meat coated skeletons made of stardust who claim to speak for the GhostBuster.

      "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill, 1806 - 1873

      by Terry S on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:46:54 PM PDT

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  •  So many instant experts in the media who know (3+ / 0-)

    more than the combined resources of the Obama Administration. Very similar to Benghazi. Throwing mud at the wall and examining the parts that stick. Getting to the truth will be an accident along the path of denigrating another Democrat, which is their real job. Where were these people in the phony buildup to Iraq, slightly more significant than Benghazi or Bergdahl? They were helping to spread innuendoes and lies for their side.

  •  How about someone who did betray their country? (3+ / 0-)

    Someone who did break under torture...

    Someone who made countless public statements on Hanoi radio:

        The US bombs hospitals deliberately....
        The US bombs orphanages deliberately....

        On and on and on...

    Someone who was traded back to the USA, and not one mention was made of this.   (Perhaps.. "There but for the grace of God go I.... "? )

    Is there a statute of limitations on treason (using the new definition... )?

    Should we court martial John McCain?

  •  Obama negotiator (0+ / 0-)

    Obama knows how to drive a hard bargain and stand up to opponents to his left.

    It's when he's dealing with Repubs that he betrays negotiating weakness by adopting Repub Platform planks and their talking points. Like slashing government spending, telling Americans the blatent falsehood that the budget of the U.S. government (which can borrow money by the trillions, donate trillions to banksters, print money as needed, tax anyone and everyone except the richest of the rich, draft your firstborn off to war, etc) is somehow like a family's kitchen table budget. Like trying to lower the deficit in a near depression contrary to Keynesian wisdom, sending as many young men of color to jail for drug arrests as possible, deporting undocumented immigrants for petty stuff in unprecedented numbers, reappointing Repub U.S. District Attorneys, agreeing to appoint Repub type judges, letting the Drug Enforcement Agency disregard his expressed wish not to hassle licensed marijuana dealers where the states have voted to allow them, etc.

    Yeah, he's weak, but not in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is dead and Obama won.

    •  whoa here! This isn't right! (0+ / 0-)
      Like trying to lower the deficit in a near depression contrary to Keynesian wisdom
      He isn't TRYING to lower the deficit.  He's doing it.  Taking the money bushy was spending on the war and using it to lower the deficit.  
      sending as many young men of color to jail for drug arrests as possible,
      Obama didn't write, support, or sign the laws that sent those young men away.  That was all Nixon's doing - and the Republican presidents who followed him.  Obama has SAID he wants to reduce those sentences to something reasonable.  What is our beloved dimwitted congress doing about it?
      letting the Drug Enforcement Agency disregard his expressed wish not to hassle licensed marijuana dealers where the states have voted to allow them, etc.
      I betcha he's not 'letting' them.  I betcha they're doing it without consulting him, and that when he found out about it, he was not the least bit pleased.  It would be unlike him to fire anyone for it unless he could prove it was deliberate disobedience, though.

      "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill, 1806 - 1873

      by Terry S on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:33:22 PM PDT

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      •  This is so lame (0+ / 0-)

        It is wrong to lower the deficit during a near depression. Yes, Obama is doing it. Hoover would be proud of his efforts.

        That's why it's still the weakest "recovery" from any recession since, well, since before the Great  Depression of the 1930s, which we recovered from twice in 8 years under FDR.

        Obama didn't write, support, or sign the laws that set off the War on Drug Users. But he has been hellbent on enforcing them now that it's his turn.

        I've read about repeated raids on medical marijuana dispensaries etc right here on dKos. Repeatedly. In several states, many states. Obama is either two-faced or the biggest wimp ever to oversee "law enforcement", because his underlings repeatedly defy his public pronouncements. Pick your poison. Nah, no picking, I'll take both.

  •  Israel (1+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries

    will exchange HUNDREDS of Palestinians convicted of violent crimes against Israelis (not sayin I believe all those convictions are legit, but that's another diary) for ONE Israeli POW. Do they love their soldiers more than we do, or what?

  •  Much ado about nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    Now we pick and choose who we feel are able to be released? Only the right wing,Fox and the wingnuts make it into more than it should be.  Why can't they wait for this poor young man to return and find put the real facts.  They attack and destroy because they do nothing and accomplish nothing.  They only know how to verbally attack and try to destroy lives.  Such sociopaths should be locked up.  Imagine how they will treat him when he returns.  Maybe John McCain did not deserve a heros welcome.  Just because his family had connections maybe they covered up how he really was captured.  Here he has been perpetually employed by the U.S.  It's tiring just listening to the false witness they bear against everyone.  After all it was McCain who released the  Krakcon (Sarah Palin) on us.  
    How many planes did he crash and how many classes did he miss?  Why not question what he did?  Once he said he broke his arms because he missed that class.  Is that the real truth.  If they are so classless and tasteless release every bit of crappy information about them.

  •  It's Always True Warriors v Pentagon Bureaucrats (0+ / 0-)

    Some day - if we survive climate catastrophe - truly valorous service members (and veterans) will realize they must follow the Uniform Code of Conduct and render the Military non-hierarchical (no, I won't see this in my lifetime; this won't be seen for at least 100 years).  Fragging happened in Vietnam partly because then, as now, the Military was run by banality-of-evil bureaucrats who fear being rendered destitute by the Criminal Oligarchy who run them.  This time the fragging needs to begin at the top - no, not the sock-puppet President! - get the Joint Chiefs for all their contributions, failures of omission and failures of commission, to all the atrocities of our Military since their first promotion . . . Like I said:  this is impossible now, or any time soon.  As long as people don't understand that hierarchy is a false construct and are afraid of losing their position, this can't even begin.

    •  Hierarchy is a false construct? Hardly! (1+ / 0-)
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      Hierarchy isn't a false construct, because one person - the person in charge of knowing what's going on - cannot personally interact meaningfully with every other person in the military.

      There are 5 men in a squad, right?  With a squad leader. 4 or 5 squads to a platoon?  3 to 5 platoons to a company?  and so on.  Each group has its own leader - the person in charge of knowing what's going on, relaying orders to the people he's in charge of, relaying complaints to the person he reports to.  If every person in the military had to report to the Commander-in-chief, nothing else would ever be accomplished.  The president's entire term would be filled with listening to reports.  The hierarchy is necessary.

      "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill, 1806 - 1873

      by Terry S on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:45:56 PM PDT

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  •  Masterful negotiating skills -- perhaps. (3+ / 0-)
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    "...it does seem like Obama is once again displaying his, ahem, masterful negotiating skills by trading five high-level Taliban guys for Bergdahl."

    In 2012 John McCain called the Guantanamo Five “the worst murderers in human history,” according to Rolling Stone.

    The five men, who are now in Qatar and barred from traveling for a year, do not really live up to their monster billing, however.

    Khairullah Said Wali Khairkhwa, Abdul Haq Wasiq, Mullah Noorullah Noori, Mullah Mohammad Fazl and Mohammad Nabi Omari had been in Guantanamo Bay since the early days of the war.

    Kate Clark of the Afghanistan Analyst Network spent weeks researching the five men’s biographies in 2013, and came up with a much more nuanced picture.

    “It is mystifying to know where the Guantanamo Bay authorities got the idea that Khairkhwa was known, in their words, as a ‘hardliner in terms of Taliban philosophy.’ During the Emirate, he was considered one of the more moderate Taliban in leadership circles,” she writes.

    Noori and Fazl had negotiated surrender of Taliban fighters to General Abdul Rashid Dostum in November, 2001, based on what they believed was a promise of safe passage home. Instead, hundreds of Taliban fighters were massacred, and Fazl and Noori were arrested.

    Wasiq was taken in a sting operation — according to Clark, he was cooperating with the US at the time and was trying to arrange reintegration with the new government. Instead, he was arrested and sent to Guantanamo.

    The Guantanamo Docket, a project of The New York Times based on the WikiLeaks documents, also yields some interesting information.

    Omari, for example, was a minor Taliban figure who said he was selling used cars when the war started. He also claimed that he was given $500 and a cell phone by a CIA officer named Mark and told to go find Mullah Omar. When he failed to deliver, he was arrested.

    Not a very impressive background for what the media are calling the “worst of the worst.”

    http://www.salon.com/...
  •  We tried and could not convict Osama's driver (2+ / 0-)
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    raspberryberet, Damaged262

    so why are these guys so important - we had nothing on them to even bring them to trial...the chauffer was tried before them...really...what the hell...doubt if the bread crumbs are still in the mountains to take them home...I think even the foliage has changed in 10 years...

  •  I've been asking (1+ / 0-)
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    Damaged262

    the people who complain that Bergdahl "wandered off," which many are calling "deserted," just what punishment they want for him above and beyond being held for five years in an "enemy" prison. So far none of them has answered.

    The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it.--Oscar Wilde

    by Gene in L A on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:27:10 PM PDT

    •  History Sucks (1+ / 0-)
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      I seem to recall even Jeff Davis pardoned from the firing squad every deserter whose case was put before him.

      Maybe the current-day Party of the Southern Strategy would do better if they read the history of the South instead of just weaseling about like Northern Know-Nothings...

  •  Hopefully (0+ / 0-)

    "Hopefully buy 2016."

  •  That should be "who_ever" (0+ / 0-)

    right at the beginnng. You're trying to say "Who, at any time, thought... ?", so it's two separate words. I initially read the opening sentence completely wrong, because I interpreted it as "The person that thought... ."

  •  There is only one reason why this is... (0+ / 0-)

    ...a controversial subject: Obama did it. I am sickened that the Right will tear this man's reputation to shreds in the name of their hatred.

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