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In tea party Maine a debate on LD 882, "An Act To Limit Health Care Mandates" Representative Lance Harvell (R-Farmington) had what can only be described as a fit about pap smears that demonstrated his ignorance about preventative health care and the cost benefits of good screening tests for everyone covered by health care.

His bogus claim that pap smears are somehow connected to older people having bad health care as some sort of result of carelessness can only be construed as further evidence of amazing ignorance or a willful smear rap.

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  •  Stupid electeds= stupid voters (4+ / 0-)
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    IndieGuy, Aunt Pat, Gooserock, Jojos Mojo

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 06:44:14 PM PDT

  •  practicing medicine without a brain. (9+ / 0-)

    Legislators who have no professional expertise in science and medicine, meddling in science and medicine.

    There's a serious need to start putting more MDs and scientists into legislatures, so they can speak with professional expertise to oppose this crap.  

    A legislator who gets their basic science or medicine wrong to the point of ridiculousness ("not even wrong") should be laughed out of office.

    Between now and then, the word to use on these people is quackery or quack medicine.

    "State Rep. Harvell is engaged in quack medicine."

    "State Rep. Harvell is a quack."

    Etc.  

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 06:55:01 PM PDT

  •  Following his logic: (3+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, skohayes, 207wickedgood

    Why should childless couples pay for schools?

    Why should people who don't read books pay for libraries?

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 06:55:57 PM PDT

  •  Why should i have to pay for moran insurance (7+ / 0-)

    ...when I don't live in Maine?

    /snark

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 06:56:33 PM PDT

  •  Wow. That made absolutely no sense. (2+ / 0-)
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    Andrew F Cockburn, Spud1

    I can't stand to listen to it again. What a mindless drivel. Probably the dumbest rant I've heard on healthcare and insurance.

    Democrats are not always right, but Republicans are insane.

    by BobBlueMass on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 07:24:57 PM PDT

    •  And he driveled on... (0+ / 0-)

      "40% now of the young in this country marry. Why would they need mandates for plans that don’t include anything that’s relative to them? It’s as simple as that. This sets it up for the future so that they have a shot to get insurance for the one thing they have when you’re young – hopefully – your health."

      Who knows what the heck that means? I guess his point is that young people should get wicked cheap insurance today without mandates and old people (and tomorrow's old people are today's young people) should pay through the nose because they are simply...aging.

    •  Fortunately for you I transcribed it (1+ / 0-)
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      Bruce Bourgoine

      so now you can simply read it:

      Why should my 20-year old son have to get a mandate for insurance that would require him to have a pap smear?! Why would someone without children need insurance for autistic children? Why should the youth of this state – whose median age is now over 46, and not in very good health – be required to continually fund what they have not been responsible with the only thing that God has given them perhaps – good health?

      This is really what this is about. One of the reasons that they don’t have health insurance for youth of this country is because they’re having to pay for everyone else’s bad health and things that they have no need for whatsoever.

      40% now of the young in this country marry. Why would they need mandates for plans that don’t include anything that’s relative to them? It’s as simple as that. This sets it up for the future so that they have a shot to get insurance for the one thing they have when you’re young – hopefully – your health.

      Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

      by Spud1 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 07:51:21 AM PDT

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  •  Well, doh (1+ / 0-)
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    207wickedgood

    Why should his health insurance premiums have to cover the cost of women's reproductive health care? It's not his fault they chose to be born as women.

  •  What a friggin idiot! (1+ / 0-)
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    skohayes

    Beyond that I'm speechless.

    Except maybe, Mr. Harvell, karma is a real bitch.

  •  Yet again, someone without the most basic... (1+ / 0-)
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    Bruce Bourgoine

    ...understanding of how insurance and risk pools function is commenting on how they think insurance and risk pools should function.

    "Reality divorced the wingnuts after the wingnuts were discovered to be fucking goofy." - DWG

    by Jojos Mojo on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 04:01:09 AM PDT

    •  Do conservatives hate insurance? (0+ / 0-)

      I begin to wonder if they do.  They are near to arguing that spreading the risk is immoral, and the burden should fall entirely on those who suffer the loss.  Ron Paul opposes mandated health insurance because people should be free to refuse insurance.  That people desperately want health insurance and can't buy it is of no concern to him.

      The Blunt amendment takes it a step further.  No employer should have to pay for any insurance benefit that he dislikes.  Mr. Harvel goes a step beyond that.  No one should pay for insurance benefits that he himself will not use.

      These people are descending down the rabbit hole.  Their positions are absurd.

  •  Please explain 'insurance' to this man (0+ / 0-)

    My house has never burned down, so why does the bank make me buy homeowner's insurance to pay for those irresponsible people who let their house burn down?  In order to spread the risk and reduce the burden on those who do suffer a major loss.

    His son doesn't need pap smears, but someone's daughter doesn't need prostrate exams.  Does he understand that preventive care reduces illness and health care costs?  Does he care?

    How many of those healthy poor people without health insurance are desperate to get it, before one illness bankrupts them forever?

    It is impressive that one man could cram so much wrong into 1:24.

  •  I guess this moran thinks (0+ / 0-)

    women with undiagnosed cervical dysplasia should just wait until they develop cervical cancer. That'll teach 'em...or something.

    •  Interesting that he ignored prostate exams (1+ / 0-)
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      Bruce Bourgoine

      Pap smears and prostate exams are both sex-specific tests for preventive care, but he chose pap smears to illustrate his nonsensical point.  I think this shows the anti-woman attitude pervasive on the right.  If a conservative wants to attack an idea, link it to women's naughty bits.  If you can link it to a specific woman's naughty bits and attack her personally, better still.  Right Rush?

  •  Harvell first appeared on the radar at (0+ / 0-)

    Dirigo Blue in January 2011: Meet Rep. Lance Harvell.

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 07:47:30 AM PDT

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