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  •  History calls you a liar (4+ / 0-)

    Lyudmila Mykhailivna Pavlichenko (Ukrainian: Людмила Михайлівна Павліченко; Russian: Людмила Михайловна Павличенко Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko; July 12, 1916 – October 10, 1974) was a Soviet sniper during World War II. Credited with 309 kills, she is regarded as the most successful female sniper in history....In June 1941, 24-year old Pavlichenko was in her fourth year of studying history at the Kiev University when Nazi Germany began its invasion of the Soviet Union.[3] Pavlichenko was among the first round of volunteers at the recruiting office, where she requested to join the infantry and subsequently she was assigned to the Red Army's 25th Rifle Division;[3] Pavlichenko had the option to become a nurse but refused; "I joined the army when women were not yet accepted".[3] There she became one of 2,000 female snipers in the Red Army, of whom about 500 ultimately survived the war.
    Roza Georgiyevna Shanina[a] (Russian: Ро́за Гео́ргиевна Ша́нина, IPA: ['rozə 'ʂanʲɪnə]; 3 April 1924 – 28 January 1945) was a Soviet sniper during World War II, credited with 54 confirmed targets hit,[1][3] including 12 snipers during the Battle of Vilnius.[4] Praised for her shooting accuracy, Shanina was capable of taking precise bolt action shots on moving enemy targets.[5] She fired in quick succession, effectively eliminating two enemies by double shots. Shanina volunteered to serve as a marksman on the front line.
    Natlya Venediktovna Kovshova (Russian: Наталья Венедиктовна Ковшовa, 26 November 1920 - 14 August 1942) was a female Soviet sniper who fought in the Great Patriotic War....She fought with her friend Mariya Polivanova who acted as Natalya's spotter. Natalya fought bravely throughout the war, however she was killed fighting German Wehrmacht forces near Novgorod in August 1942. Natalya was awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union which was the Soviet Union's highest award for bravery.
    Let's not even mention two of America's recent crop of military heroines,  Monica Brown and Leigh Ann Hester.

    Tell me what to write. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

    by rbird on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:05:21 AM PST

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    •  I'm not questioning the bravery or (0+ / 0-)

      capability of individual women.  My point was that women can be considered fully combat-ready only if an all female unit can be expected to fight and win.

      •  No, you are questioning them, implicitly. (3+ / 0-)
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        Or is Hitler dying of old age in 1961 because of some weird time warp?

        Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

        by Stephen Daugherty on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:36:47 AM PST

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      •  More history (1+ / 0-)
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        She once told a story, when "about half a hundred frenzied fascists with wild cries" attacked the trench accommodating twelve female snipers, including Shanina herself: "Some fell from our well-aimed bullets, some we finished with our bayonets, grenades, shovels, and some we took prisoners, having restrained their arms."
        Want a commander for this all-female army?  How about Joanna of Flanders?

        In the siege of Hennebont by Charles of Blois in 1342, she took up arms and, dressed in armour, conducted the defence of the town, encouraging the people to fight, and urging the women to "cut their skirts and take their safety in their own hands". When she took a look from a tower and saw that the enemy camp was almost unguarded, she led three hundred men on a charge, burned down his supplies and destroyed his tents. After this she became known as "Jeanne la Flamme".

        Tell me what to write. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

        by rbird on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:37:14 PM PST

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