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  •  I have almost never been more angry (2+ / 0-)
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    al23, mumtaznepal

    with liberals than with their misguided and off-base critique of this film.    I will just say that this film certainly does not glorify torture, suggests that torture ultimately is not worth it and that there are better ways to receive results, and even at the end suggests whether the time and energy we took to assassinate bin Laden was worth it at all.  

    Depiction in film is not endorsement, characters supporting something does not equal the director supporting something, I'm stunned that this has even become an issue.  This is not a rah-rah USA movie like 24.  It is chilling to me the lengths liberals have gone to trash this film just to stomp out debate on this important subject as if they're afraid that people won't believe we have the right position.  This is a movie that asks questions of the audience and helps bring this important subject into the spotlight so we can better address that dark period in our history.

    •  The fact that this "liberal" reaction is so strong (1+ / 0-)
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      tells me that for many, the message that "torture doesn't work" was buried too far down in the plot for many viewers to infer it. Were there scenes showing interrogators finally getting the information they need by befriending their subjects, as actually happened? Was the contrast in results highlighted? If not, then the uneasy-to-offended "liberal" reaction has a strong basis in reality.

      •  SPOILER ALERT (2+ / 0-)
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        al23, mumtaznepal

        Yes, some information is revealed by befriending a terrorist who had previously been tortured and the movie does suggest that his prior torture plays some role in him releasing the information but I truly believe the film ultimately asks whether or not torture is worth it at all because the information comes from other sources as well.  

        As Michael Moore said: "I'm sorry, but anyone who claims that Zero Dark Thirty endorses torture either hasn't seen the move or wasn't paying attention."

        Or Andrew Sullivan who also has defended the film against these accusations and says: "The critical clue comes from traditional intelligence - a data point friendly countries gave to the CIA in the wake of 9/11 and then took a few years to percolate up to the analyst who saw its salience."

    •  Thank you, krenicky - accurate and true, well said (0+ / 0-)

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 01:29:37 PM PST

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    •  Your comment makes me sooo angry!!! (0+ / 0-)

      Actually it doesn't.

      It amuses me that you think we re to just accept your view and leave it at that.

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