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  •  Kathryn Bigelow begs to differ (3+ / 0-)
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    Also well, just about everybody.

    •  Begging to differ (2+ / 0-)
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      Possibly you ought to go take a more careful look at the film. This is about the best take on it in print.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    •  Armando, I saw the film, and I agree with everyone (2+ / 0-)
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      else here in this thread who also saw the film (except for one viewer) that the movie does not imply torture worked.

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 01:39:13 PM PST

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    •  Armando, Left academic film scholars do not (1+ / 0-)
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      support in any way the HYSTERIA surrounding this film. They disagree completely with the "pundit" class who are basing their reading of the film on a complete absence of even a reference to cinematic form. If you cannot coherently refer to the formal properties of a work of art (particularly film), you are not competent to judge it. What is happening with this film is shameful and the Left will one day come to ask how it bought into this hysteria.

      I am sighing right now. I bust my ass to educate people, but there is nothing I can do when people believe in irrational and unreal things. And that is what has happened with this movie.

      You do not get to make up your own "facts" in the "reality-based" community. But that is exactly what has happened with this film.

      Saying "everyone agrees with me" is a fallacious argument. Especially when all of those people have no knowledge of film criticism. If they did, they would not say the hysterical things they are saying about this film. The answers are all in the movie itself. But you can't see it because you are reading it as narrative (and, when that fails, people are just making things up out of thin air, as nearly every pundit has done). Movies are not narratives. And pundits are not scholars. In this case, they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It is a very sad day in the US when the Left embraces this level of ignorance (and seems proud of itself for having done so). I am actually scared because it means the lack of education and basic knowledge in the U.S. is really this bad ...

      I strongly suggest you educate yourself with real critical work on film, not "pundit" work. A good place to start is in the latest issue of Film Comment: "Some Ways Into Zero dark Thirty" by Larry Gross. There are many other articles from people who actually know film criticism.

      http://www.filmcomment.com/...

      •  Saying everyone agrees with (0+ / 0-)

        is not my point.

        It is actually to refute the assertion made in the comment I respond to.

        I strongly suggest you stop with the condescending "real critical work on film nonsense.

        You well know that the critics have come to the same conclusions.

        Not that that is dispositive anyway.

        •  Armando, have you seen the film yourself? Or are (0+ / 0-)

          all your judgments coming from reading the opinions of others and see advertising clips from the film?

          "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

          by mumtaznepal on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 04:32:21 PM PST

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          •  Let me ask you this (0+ / 0-)

            Do you think the opinions of anyone else - say Steve Coll, are worth discussing?

            The funny thing to me is I can just read your accounts of the movie and other accounts offered ON THIS THREAD, (and of course the now well known clip of the "lunch" where the detainee gives up the name) and say that what you and others who deny that torture is portrayed as being efficacious is in fact, with out a shadow of a doubt, portraying torture as working.

            A link to the scene -  a civilized lunch.

            •  So you have NOT seen the film. (0+ / 0-)

              Fine.

              I'll weigh your comments about it's actual content with that knowledge - that you haven't seen it - in mind.

              This is a reality-based community.  Why don't you go actually see the movie, and get back to us with your opinion of what it depicts or does not.

              "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

              by mumtaznepal on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 04:54:46 PM PST

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