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  •  in some states (5+ / 0-)

    if you feel threatened, you most certainly do.

    •  Yes and (1+ / 0-)
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      you can yell "fire" if you see smoke, as well.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:50:17 AM PST

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      •  Can you yell "gun"? (0+ / 0-)

        If you're in a state that has laws that make it legal to conceal carry in a theatre can you yell "gun" when you see that someone has one?  A lot of people would panic, not being sure if this could be this week's mass shooting.  It's actually more likely than an actual fire! (Not scientific, but a quick google of fire related deaths in a theater in the US turned no news.  Can't say the same for gun related deaths in a theater.)

        Also, Stand Your Ground laws don't require any proof of danger, only that you feel threatened.  Your example is more akin to yelling "gun" after the shooter is already firing.  But I'm sure it's OK if you just think you "smell" the smoke.

        The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

        by Back In Blue on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:26:38 PM PST

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        •  Sidetracked here (0+ / 0-)

          my only point, albeit perhaps poorly made, was that just as we have certain restrictions on speech, we do have certain restrictions on firearms, as well.

          Neither the 1st nor the 2nd amendment is absolutely inviolate, without exception -- and they shouldn't be when the free exercise of one person's rights infringes on the rights of others.

          The legalities of when a particular threat justifies a particular counter action is important, but not really germane to my point.  If it is, maybe I'm missing your point.

          Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

          by winsock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:28:38 PM PST

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          •  Nah. Your comment just struck me. (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm not arguing against what you wrote, it just occurred to me after reading your comment that it could actually be a problem if you yell gun in a crowded theatre and cause a panic.  Like the diary, it turns an assumed situation (if someone had a gun at the mass shooting, we'd be safer) on it's head.  Who would be to blame, the responsible gun owner exercising his rights to conceal carry or the stressed out parent watching a movie with his family who can't stop looking over his shoulder for fear they may have to knock his kids to the floor and shield them with his body?

            We really have jumped the jumped the shark on what a civil society under the rule of law is supposed to be.

            The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

            by Back In Blue on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 12:01:16 AM PST

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            •  On this point (1+ / 0-)
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              It's certainly reasonable to recognize that the mere appearance of someone carrying a firearm can be intimidating -- and for some people, under given  circumstances, even terrorizing.  In this respect, don't we all have a fundamental "right" -- or at least a reasonable expectation -- to be free from terror?  Therein lies the rub, eh?  The balance of competing rights.  And many would say the balance tends to tilt too far towards protecting 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of infringing on other rights that should be just as important.  Yep, I hear you.

              Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

              by winsock on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:13:22 AM PST

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    •  long as you stand your ground (1+ / 0-)
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      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:45:32 AM PST

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