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  •  Ok I always get bothered when I can't remebered (1+ / 0-)
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    So for record (pre Citizens United)

    1.Advocacy of Imminent Lawless Action
    2. Obscenity (not swearing, I don't want to describe)
    3. Child Pornography
    4. Fighting Words
    5. True Threats

    Less Than Protected

    1. Defamation (basically)
    2. Commercial Speech
    3. Lewd Profane, Indecent

    I was saying above, different levels of scrutiny.
    So instead of everything is Guns. Unprotected-Crazy Assault Weapons, etc etc  Less than etc, etc (stil has to pass const muster. and IIRC Heller was mostly about self defense).

    •  The fatal flaw (0+ / 0-)

      in your argument - is that there is no basis for ranking "crazy assault weapons" as somehow more dangerous than any other weapon.

      A bullet to the head will kill you - regardless if it's from a glock, an AR-15, or your dad's old deer rifle in the back of the closet.

      You can try to make an argument that weapons like AR-15s are inherently more dangerous due to their characteristics, but that is not shown in the actual crime statistics, nor in the military research that's been done over the years about the effectiveness of different types of weapons.

      You may THINK assault weapons are more dangerous because that's what you've been told, or they look scary, or for whatever reason - but the fact is, guns are dangerous. Period. Trying to break it down in categories is an exercise in futility and there are constantly so many exceptions to any rules you make that it's pointless. This is exactly why the original AWB had over 800 exceptions and exemptions for firearms that technically fit the "assault weapons" definition, but were deemed "safe", and the new proposal has an additional 100+ on top of that.

      •  If they're just as dangerous (2+ / 0-)
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        Sychotic1, wader

        Then I suppose we could issue "old deer rifles" to the infantry.

        Sure a Remington 700 will kill just as effectively as an AR-15 once.

        There's a reason spree shooters like semi-autos with high capacity magazines. They allow you to put a lot of lead downrange in a very short time.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:44:29 PM PST

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